this is O's new track which we've been
这是O的新歌，我们一直在
working on what's the name gender
研究它的名字是什么性别
Madness the transition if you go woke
疯狂过渡如果你醒来
woke you go broke you once identified as
醒来你就会崩溃你曾经被认定为
Korean then Korean woman I was woke I
韩国然后是韩国女人我被唤醒了我
was part of that cult I used to look a
是那个邪教的一部分我曾经看起来
bit like barie now I want that kind of
有点 像巴里一样，我现在想要那种
defined jawline and the Ken look I want
轮廓分明的下巴轮廓和肯的样子，我想
to be a man again and not be trans
再次成为一个男人，而不是跨性别者，
you're now deeply Christian uh yes God
你现在是一名虔诚的基督徒，是的，上帝
bless you all I would like to be a
保佑你们所有人，我想成为
policy advisor for president Trump are
特朗普总统的政策顾问，
you not just gonna change
你是吗？ 不仅仅是要再次改变
[Music]
[音乐]，
again I'm Ben Zant and in this series
我是 Ben Zant，在这个系列中，
I'm spending time with people who live
我与那些生活
their lives a bit differently on the
在社会边缘、生活有所不同的人们一起度过了时光
fringes of society and in this episode
，在《
of Life uncovered I'm meeting D
生活揭秘》的这一集中，我遇到了 D
transitioner Ole London to detransition
过渡者 Ole 伦敦变性
is the process of discontinuing or
是停止或
reversing a gender transition OE once
逆转性别转变的过程，OE曾经
identified as a Korean woman and had an
被认为是韩国女性，并进行了大量
extreme amount of plastic surgery to
的整形手术以
achieve his dream identity but over a
实现他梦想的身份，但一年多
year ago he converted to Christianity
前他皈依了基督教
God bless you all I'm just church again
上帝保佑你们所有人我只是 教堂再次
transitioned to being a man and became a
转变为一个男人，并成为
superstar in the world of American
美国右翼电视节目世界中的超级明星，
right-wing TV shows lobbying against the
游说反对
so-called trans agenda children are
所谓的跨性别议程。孩子们
taught from a young age from the age of
从五岁起就被教导，
five in some cases that it's okay to
在某些情况下，改变自己的想法是可以的。
change their gender I'm just on my way
性别 我正在路上，
now I'm in central London to meet Ole
现在我在伦敦市中心去见 Ole
London over the last few years has gone
London，在过去的几年里，我
from being a man who identifies as
从一个自认为是
Korean uh even though he's white British
韩国人的男人，呃，尽管他是英国白人，
to identifying as a transgender woman
变成了一个跨性别女人
and now he's a white British man who's a
，现在他是一个 英国白人是一个
born again Christian who is
重生的基督徒，
detransitioning he caughts controversy
他正在变性，他引起了争议，
and he's so caught up in these cultur
他深深地陷入了这些文化
wars um and it doesn't seem like an
战争，嗯，这看起来不像是一个
accident so I kind of want to understand
意外，所以我有点想知道
what his a
他的 a
is Ben finally we meet how are you doing
是什么，本最后我们见面是怎样的 你们干得很好，
I'm good thanks how you doing guys we
谢谢你们干得好，我们
can go up to the Top If you want look at
可以去顶层如果你们想看看
these bed sheets I know they're cool
这些床单，我知道它们很酷，对吧，
right it's like an Egyptian pharaoh yeah
就像埃及法老是的，
so this is your room uh yes yes yes yeah
所以这是你的房间，嗯，是的，是的，是的
is that is that Donald Trump I'm just a
那就是唐纳德·特朗普，我只是
fan of him how would you def describe
他的粉丝，你会如何描述
yourself these days people think oh
自己，现在人们认为哦，
controversial or you know transphobic or
有争议的，或者你知道跨性别恐惧症或
hateful and stuff and I'm really none of
可恨之类的东西，而我真的根本不是
those things at all you want identify
那些你想识别
this
这个
Korean then Korean woman I kind of felt
韩国人的东西 韩国女人，我
for that culture because I thought you
对这种文化有一种感觉，因为我想你
know maybe I can be like them look how
知道也许我可以像他们一样，看起来
happy they are did you genuinely think
他们有多幸福你真的认为
you're a Korean I thought you know what
你是韩国人吗我想你知道
if everyone else has all these pronouns
如果其他人都有这些代词
and gender identities some people
和性别认同怎么办 人们
identify as aliens some people identify
认为自己是外星人，有些人认为
as dogs I generally thought in my head
是狗，我通常在我的脑海里想，
space why not it's possible but did you
为什么不可能，但你
think you were like ethnically Korean or
认为你是韩国人还是
did you think you were nationally Korean
韩国人？我的
I mean you can't change your ethnicity
意思是你不能改变你的种族，
but I thought I could become Korean you
但我认为我 可能会成为韩国人 你
know through surgery type of Korean like
知道通过手术类型的韩国人像韩国
K-pop Star how many surgeries did you
流行歌星 你最后做了多少次手术
have in the end about 32 things I had a
大约32件事 我做了一个
a necklift you can actually see you see
颈部提拉术 你实际上可以看到你看到
the scars one here one here oh yeah you
疤痕 这里一个在这里 哦是的你
see this white line yeah that is a scar
看到这条白线 是的，这是一个疤痕，
because I actually had my hairline
因为我实际上降低了我的发际线，
lowered how much dring you spent in
你总共花了多少钱，嗯，
total um a few hundred, so now you're
几百，所以现在你是，你
you're would you say you're D
会说你是 D
transitioned is that the correct yeah so
转变是正确的，是的，所以
now I'm just me I'm just OE just British
现在我是 只有我，我只是OE，只是
man I'm trying to find myself ReDiscover
英国人，我正在努力寻找自己，重新发现我
myself and just me so I'm back to being
自己，只有我，这样我就恢复
normal I I read an article a few days
正常了，我几天前读到一篇文章，
ago that you you're is a Ken doll look
说你是一个肯娃娃，看起来
I've got the blonde hair why not because
我' 我有一头金发，为什么不呢，因为
Ken is the epitome of masculinity I'm
肯是男子气概的缩影，我
going to try to get those abs and try to
将努力获得那些腹肌，并尝试
get Ken's body but I don't know if it's
获得肯的身体，但我不知道这是否
achievable but a lot of O's time is
可以实现，但 O 的很多时间都
committed to rallying against what he
致力于反对 他
calls gender Madness and expressing his
所谓的性别疯狂并表达了他的
anti-woke views he's invited me into his
反觉醒观点，他邀请我去他的
music studio where he's working on a new
音乐工作室，在那里他正在制作一张新的
anti-woke album this is O's new track
反觉醒专辑，这是O的新曲目，
which we've been working on what's the
我们一直在研究它的
name gender Madness gender Madness
名字是什么性别疯狂性别疯狂
decides with his book book and it's all
决定了 他的书和这
about the book and this ideology which
本书都是关于这本书和这种意识形态，这种意识形态
has been uh forced on to the world
已经被强行强加给世界，
calling out like BLM woke stuff politics
大声疾呼，就像BLM唤醒了政治，
some of my old music for me it just
我的一些旧音乐对我来说，只是
doesn't feel about like plastic is
感觉塑料
fantastic it's at the time I felt you
在当时并不美妙。 我觉得你
know plastic was a fantastic plastic
知道整形是一个很棒的
surgery was the solution but now I've
整形手术是解决方案，但现在我已经
come to a point where I think my songs
到了这样的地步，我认为我的歌曲
need to have a lot of depth Let's Get Go
需要有很多深度 Let's Get Go
Right
Right
perfect got to be a
完美必须成为一个
man
男人
aition
aition 是的，它在
yeah what's it saying so it says D
说什么 它说D
transition I'm going to be a man not a
转型我将成为一个男人而不是
trans basically because it's talking
跨性别者基本上因为它在
about my journey I want to be a man
谈论我的旅程我想再次成为一个男人
again and not be trans yeah and then you
而不是跨性别者是的然后你
say you say get if you get woke you go
说你说如果你醒来你就会
broke in hence the
闯入因此 这件
T-shirt just do like I'm sure you're
T 恤就像我相信你很
good at it just do like some ad just
擅长，就像一些广告一样，
like I'll be like the hype man exaa it's
就像我会像炒作人 exaa 这是
a very political song I guess um and you
一首非常政治的歌曲，我想嗯，你
mentioned before that you don't
之前提到过你不这样做
necessarily want controversy and you
必然想要争议，你
don't want that attention this feels
不希望受到关注，这感觉
like it's probably going to get some
好像它可能会
attention in that sense yeah but I think
在这个意义上得到一些关注，是的，但我认为
you have to call out certain things
你必须指出某些事情，
because otherwise we're turning on Blind
因为否则我们就会睁一只
Eye and we're complicit in what's going
眼闭一只眼，我们就是同谋
on in the world transition I'm going to
世界转型中正在发生什么我将
be a man you want to be a man it has to
成为一个男人，你想成为一个男人，
be a powerful message if you want to get
如果你想明白这一点，那么它必须是一个强有力的信息，
the point across and then say you know
然后说你知道
all this wokeness is cusing all of this
所有这些觉醒都在指责所有这些
woke you go broke broke broke no no no
觉醒 你破产了破产了不不不
woke it touched on a lot of stuff didn't
醒来它触及了很多东西
it touched on fluoride in the water
它没有触及水中的氟化物
microchips trans that's like a lot of
微芯片反式这就像很多
these are just things that it's a
这些只是事情，这是
general thing that's happening in the
世界上正在发生的普遍事情我
world CU I suppose some of the the woke
想CU 一些醒过来的
people might say there it's a element of
人可能会说，其中的一个元素
it a little bit conspiratorial around
有点围绕着
the microchips and the we can't be
微芯片的阴谋，我们不能被
blinded we've been LED like sheep into
蒙蔽，我们就像羊一样被引导进
the mincing machine M we just can't they
绞肉机M，我们就是不能，他们不知道
don't actually want us to see that and
实际上希望我们看到这一点，
that is the
这就是
fact I actually have to go to America so
我实际上必须去美国的事实，所以
I was going to know I've packed most of
我会知道我已经收拾好了
my stuff my books coming out in a few
我的大部分东西我的书几周后就会出版
weeks you've been a bit of a media
你已经引起了媒体的
sensation um especially in the states
轰动 嗯，特别是在美国，
actually Newsmax contributor so I'm on
实际上是 Newsmax 的撰稿人，所以我
pretty much every week also UK talk TV
几乎每周都会参加英国脱口秀电视
contributor and GB news and stuff my job
撰稿人和英国新闻以及我的工作中
is speaking on Politics on news stories
谈论政治、新闻故事
and issues I'm passionate about what is
和问题的内容，我
happening now with kids being pushed
对现在孩子们正在发生的事情充满热情
with this gender ideology and you've
在这种性别意识形态的推动下，你
been trying to find like
一直在努力寻找像
your tribe now it it seems to be like
你的部落一样的
the kind of religious right wing of
America is that yeah I've been going to
美国宗教右翼，是的，我一直去
church and that has helped me just found
教堂，这帮助我找到了
Jesus yes yes yeah because I was so so
耶稣，是的 是的，因为我太
lost I actually went to therapy as well
迷失了，所以我实际上也去接受了治疗，
then I went to church and it was about
然后我去了教堂，这是关于
me finding who I am within and trying to
我发现自己是谁，并试图
build that connection with God can you
与上帝建立联系，你能
show me the initial OE London hang on
告诉我最初的 OE 伦敦坚持
that was before any surgery so I think
吗？ 在进行任何手术之前，所以我想
that was maybe
那可能是
2011 what do you think of this guy m
2011年，你觉得这个家伙怎么样，我
bad ugly yeah really like really ugly I
很丑，是的，真的很丑，我的
mean I look at that and I'm like it's a
意思是我看着那个，我觉得他是一个
good-looking guy no one would want to
好看的人，没有人愿意和
date me no one was interested in me
我约会。 有人对我感兴趣，
everyone you know would pick on me for
你认识的每个人都会因为我的样子而挑剔我，
the way I looked it's like emotional
just looking at actually do you feel
只是看着就感觉很情绪化，实际上你
love for this OE no it's as if that
对这个OE有感情吗？不，就好像那个
person died and I became a new person
人死了，我变成了一个新人，
which is you know kind of
你知道的
weird all's latest identity journey is
奇怪的是，所有人最新的身份之旅是
to become a masculine man he wants six
成为一个阳刚的男人，他想要六
pack abs a Chad like Jaw and Top Class
块腹肌，像乍得的下巴一样，还有顶级的
fighting abilities to help achieve this
格斗能力来帮助实现这一目标，
he's Enlisted the help of former MMA
他得到了前综合格斗
fighter and Katy Price's ex-husband Alex
选手和凯蒂·普莱斯的前夫亚历克斯·
Reed today it's boxing training very
里德的帮助，今天是拳击训练
tough guy you know he's very into his
硬汉，你知道他非常喜欢他的
Fitness and um used to be a figh is it
健身，嗯曾经是一个打架者，是
yes so your kind of what your aspiration
的，所以你
is now is to be more masculine is that
现在的愿望是变得更有男子气概，这就是
why you've Enlisted the help of yeah
为什么你已经获得了帮助，
because I'm missing that because
因为我错过了 因为
basically I had facial feminization
基本上我做了面部女性化
surgery really made me feminine and you
手术，真的让我变得女性化，你
know every time I'm online on TV and
知道，每次我在电视上上网，
stuff people don't know if I'm a man or
人们都不知道我是男人还是
a woman and I want to have the body of a
女人，而我想要拥有男人的身体，
man so what what's the session today
那又怎样呢？ 今天的会议是什么，
it's about um generating some um to mhm
是关于嗯，嗯，
is there anything you're going to be
thinking of as you try and release that
当你尝试释放
anger I'm probably going to be thinking
愤怒时，你会想到什么，我可能会想，
okay don't knock my veneers out and
好吧，不要敲掉我的饰面，也
don't knock my nose off all right let's
不要 好吧，让我们
do it let's do it
开始吧，让我们开始吧，
guys I'm your sergeant major I'm your
伙计们，我是你们的军士长，我是你们的
drill sergeant go hard go home okay no
教官，努力回家吧，好吧，不要
tweeting so your your aim is you're
发推文，所以你们的目标是，
trying to get kind of ripped you want
你们想像
like I just want like really toned body
我一样被撕裂。 只是想要真正健美的身体
manly look and what's your current
男子气概，你目前对
definition of that man so like you know
那个男人的定义是什么，就像你知道
nice biceps nice Cal muscles and triceps
漂亮的二头肌、漂亮的肌肉和三头肌
do you want to be like an alpha male is
一样，你想成为一个阿尔法男性吗？
that like what you're trying to I would
就像你正在努力的那样，我
like to be keep going keep going I'm
想成为 继续前进，继续前进，我要去，
going I'm going I'm going I'm going we
我要去，我要去，我们
all need a bit of masculinity a bit of
都需要一点男子气概，一点
testosterone bit more testosterone and
睾酮，多一点睾酮，这一切都
it all starts here why do you want that
从这里开始，为什么你想要那个，
why feel good it's about the feeling
为什么感觉良好，这是关于
inside I don't care I used to care what
内心感觉我不在乎我以前在乎
I look like and now I really don't care
我的样子现在我真的不在乎
you seem to care a little bit little bit
你似乎有点在乎吧
right okay let's go we're going to just
好吧我们走吧我们只要用力打
two punches hard as you can okay jab
两拳就好了刺拳
cross right do you feel like a man right
交叉吧，你现在感觉像个男人吗？
now I feel more than a man right now
我现在感觉自己不仅仅是一个男人了，
yeah right now because yeah because
是的，因为是的，
because the testosterone is running I'm
因为睾丸激素在运行，我
sweating I feel like energized and I
出汗了，我感觉精力充沛，我
feel so you watch you now because of
感觉所以你现在看着你，因为
that you feel more more I actually do
你感觉 更多更多我实际上做的是
yeah
的
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really
真的
look is fantastic look at this how often
看起来太棒了看看这个
are you doing this thing um most days
你多久做一次这件事嗯大多数时候
cuz it's really relaxing he likes to get
因为这真的很放松他喜欢
in hot up is the dog get hi Bubba do you
热起来是狗嗨布巴你
want to come in Bubba sometimes what's a
想进来布巴吗 有时，
typical day in the life of Ole London
Ole London 生活中典型的一天是怎样的？
you know be on my phone going to
你知道，拿着手机，去
meetings um doing calls all day tweeting
开会，整天打电话，发推特，
you know you know in April I had 750
你知道，你知道，四月份我的浏览量达到了 7.5
million views in one month I do share
亿次，我确实分享了一些
crazy woke stories but I feel it needs
疯狂的醒来故事，但我感觉到了 需要
to be exposed but I would like to be a
曝光，但我想成为
policy adviser for um president Trump so
特朗普总统的政策顾问，所以
I'd like to be able to to do something
我希望能够做一些
where it's actually benefiting and
真正有益和
helping women kids parents teachers
帮助女性、孩子、父母、教师、
Christians and helping all people you
基督徒、帮助所有你
know I just want to help people and when
认识的人的事情，我只是想做 帮助人们，什么时候
to do some charity work and do some
做一些慈善工作，
charity work in the Philippines does
在菲律宾做一些慈善工作，
this dog like she get in hi Bubba or
这只狗喜欢她进来嗨布巴，或者
she's just weighing on the floor oh is
她只是在地板上称重哦，
that what she do it's nice nice little
她所做的事情很好，很好，
we as part of Ole's the transitioning
我们作为奥莱过渡的一部分 在这个
process he's trying to reverse the
过程中，他试图
facial feminization surgery by having
通过注射来扭转面部女性化手术，
injections to make his jawline more
使他的下巴轮廓更加
masculine but before Olie goes for his
男性化，但在 Olie 进行
fillers he's invited ktie JN who
填充之前，他邀请了
identifies as trans over for lunch olle
自称跨性别者的 ktie JN 来吃午餐，olle
appeared to live in an echo chamber of
似乎生活在反觉醒的回声室中，
anti- wokeness so I was intrigued to see
所以我 我很想知道
if ktie John would challenge us thinking
ktie John 是否会挑战我们，思考
what what do you know about Ollie the
你对 Ollie 的了解如何，
whole kind of Korean side of things and
韩国方面的事情，
and then subsequently also your own
以及随后你自己的
Journey closer towards Faith are you
接近信仰的旅程，你是否同意
okay with the idea that the concept of
being trans is discussed in schools if
跨性别的概念？ 在学校里讨论，如果
you're explicitly doing a class about
你明确地上一堂关于
pronouns and they them and being non
代词的课，他们是非
biner and tell telling all these kids
二元论者，告诉所有这些孩子
about this different identities kids
这种不同的身份，孩子们
follow a trend I don't think all of
遵循一种趋势，我认为所有
these things should be taught at the
这些东西不应该以
rate they are now if you don't educate
他们的速度教授 现在，如果你不教育
children about bodies about sexuality
孩子们关于身体、性、
about expression and things like that
表达以及类似的事情，那么
you also put them at risk for when
当不适当的事情发生时，你也会让他们面临风险，
inappropriate things happen um and how
嗯，
does a kid know what's inappropriate
孩子怎么知道什么是不适当的，
unless they know what to at least to a
除非他们至少在一定程度上知道什么是不适当的
degree what is appropriate and have the
是合适的，并且有
language to talk about body parts but I
谈论身体部位的语言，但我
think the times have changed in the
认为时代已经发生了变化，
sense that there has become this social
这种社会
contagion and gender ideology being
传染和性别意识形态被
forcibly pushed on kids
强行强加给孩子，
some people would say it's not social
有些人会说这不是社会
contagion it's just better education do
传染，这只是更好的教育，
you think there's an agenda people are
你知道吗？ 认为人们正在推动一个议程，
pushing no I'm not saying that but I'm
不，我不是这么说，但我是
saying there is a push to sexualize kids
说有人在推动儿童性化，
but you're talking about sexualization
但你谈论的是性化，
so your complaint is more about
所以你的抱怨更多是关于
sexualization being pushed or of
性化被推动或
children or the rest of it but then then
儿童或其他方面 但随后
the the detail of it keeps coming back
它的细节不断
to gender but I how do you either
回到性别，但我如何
separate or where do you see those merge
分离或在哪里看到这些融合
there is an element of sexualization I
存在性化的元素我的
mean when you're teaching kids to change
意思是当你教孩子们改变
their body and to stop puberty and to
他们的身体并停止青春期和
you know a boy to grow breasts and stuff
你知道一个男孩长出乳房之类的东西
that is a sexualization kids should not
是性化的，孩子们不应该
be learning things but then for the same
学习这些东西，但出于同样的
reason we should ban YouTube and
原因，我们应该禁止
Instagram for kids then and Tik Tok and
孩子们使用 YouTube 和 Instagram，还有 Tik Tok 和
all the rest you can't shut it off in
所有其他你不能关掉的东西。 在
one place like school and then give them
一个地方，比如学校，然后
free reign elsewhere you're not
在其他地方让他们自由支配，你并没有
effectively putting pressure on people
有效地给另一方的人施加压力，
on the other kind of side in that saying
if you feel different if you feel you
如果你感觉不同，如果你觉得你
could be TRS you're essentially saying
可以成为TRS，你本质上是在说
that that's because you're being
那是因为你’ 在被
manipulated by this Sinister Lobby I
这个邪恶的游说集团操纵时，我
always make a distinction that there are
总是做出区分，
generally people that have gender disp
通常有人有性别歧视，通常
there are generally people that have
有人
felt that way their whole life and you
一生都有这种感觉，你
know let them figure that out on their
知道让他们自己弄清楚，
own this is probably one of the
这可能是其中之一 这是
strangest days I've had in in a long
我很长一段时间以来经历过的最奇怪的日子，
time I think what is really interesting
我认为真正有趣的
about it is like olle is still clearly
是，olle 显然仍然在
struggling with his identity he's so
与自己的身份作斗争，他是如此
momentary you know like everything's a
短暂，你知道一切都是一种
fad you know he was once a man then he
时尚，你知道他曾经是一个男人，然后他
was a Korean woman now he wants to be a
是一个韩国人 女人现在他想成为一个
big strong man who's a Conservative
坚强的男人，一个保守派
Christian who goes on American TV
基督徒，上美国电视
channels it seems like so much of it is
频道，看起来很多
just about getting people to like him
只是为了让人们喜欢他，
and the problem is like I don't think he
问题是我不认为他
really believes that much of what he's
真的相信那么多
saying despite the conversation with
尽管与
Katy John olle continued under teared on
Katy John olle 的谈话仍在继续，但他仍然泪流满面地讲述了
his new path and it was time to head off
他的新道路，在
for his chin injections before I apply
我申请美国之前，是时候前往下巴进行注射了，
to America I need to have a certain look
我需要进行一定的检查，
um so I'm going to a clinic my friend um
嗯，所以我要去一家诊所 我的朋友，嗯，
she's going to inject about 8 mlit of
她将
villa into my jawline to reshape it so
在我的下巴轮廓中注射大约 8 毫升的 Villa 来重塑它，所以
if I can regain a little bit more of a
如果我能重新获得一点
masculine image I think it will just
男性形象，我想这会让
make me feel better inside and happier
我内心感觉更好，更快乐，
you seem to think a lot about how to be
你似乎想了很多
a man as somebody who doesn't really
作为一个并不真正
like all this identity yeah Mal you know
喜欢所有这些身份的人，如何成为一个男人是的，马尔，你知道
what I mean yeah but then I am actually
我的意思是的，但我实际上是
a man so it's like men think about men
一个男人，所以这就像男人思考男人的
things you know men think about doing
事情，你知道男人思考
outdoor sports or Fitness and stuff and
户外运动或健身，
not all men but like a lot of men do
不是所有的男人，但像很多男人一样，
that so I'm just thinking like a man cuz
所以我只是像一个男人一样思考，因为
I am a
我是一个
man hi Analisa how are you nice to see
男人，嗨，阿娜丽莎，你很高兴见到
you H nice to see you so I know you want
你，很高兴见到你，所以我知道你想要
to go for something more masculine which
去做一些事情 更加男性化，这
is great so I think we structure your
很棒，所以我认为我们会构建你的
jawline make it a bit sharper here get
下巴轮廓，让它变得更锐利，让下巴变得
more angular bring out the chin slightly
更有棱角，同时稍微突出下巴，
as well and that will help give him more
这将有助于让他
masculine look and more in the Ken movie
看起来更男性化，在肯电影中，
he's like a typical guy right like a
他就像一个典型的男人，就像 一个
very handsome everybody wants to be like
非常英俊的每个人都想像
Ken and I'm thinking you know I used to
肯一样，我想你知道我以前
look a bit like Barbie cuz I was more
看起来有点像芭比娃娃，因为我更有
feminine and stuff now I want that kind
女人味等等，现在我想要那种
of defined jawline and the Ken
明确的下巴线和肯的
look it's a really routine procedure B
样子，这是一个非常常规的程序B
like it's not even painful this
就像 这个甚至都不痛，
one so that's like the structure of the
所以就像下巴的结构一样，这
jaw that's going to be the line um yeah
将是一条线，嗯是的，
so we're just following that
所以我们只是沿着那条
line I feel amazing yeah that was so
线走，我感觉太棒了，是的，这是如此
seamless wow my God that's instantly
无缝，哇我的上帝，立即
transformed wow incredible you have a
转变了，哇令人难以置信，你有
lot more of an angle here if you lift
很多 如果你稍微抬起你的拥抱，这里会有更多的角度是的，
your slightly hug yeah and we've
我们
projected the chin forwards as well yeah
也将下巴向前突出是的，
so it looks a lot more masculine a lot
所以它看起来更有男子气概，
more actually look a bit like Elon Musk
实际上看起来有点像埃隆·马斯克
oh really yeah oh my God I'll tweet a
哦，真的是啊，天哪，我会发推文 一张
picture and tag him and see what he says
照片并标记他，看看他
come from this angle well so much more
从这个角度说了什么，更加
structured and looking great wow what
结构化，看起来很棒哇，这
does it make you feel inside just
让你内心感觉如何，
masculine just I feel good you know and
只是男性化，我感觉很好，你知道，
already I feel more confident about my
我已经对自己的脸更有信心了，我的
face I mean I suppose having been with
意思是我 假设和
you for a couple of days now I get the
你在一起几天了，我感觉到，因为
sense that cuz you kind of you you're
你是这样的你，你正
trying to figure out the next stage of
试图弄清楚你的下一个阶段，
you like um which is a kind of masculine
就像嗯，这是
version of yourself now it's Ken and
你自己的一种男性化版本，现在是肯和
you're trying to live out m I'm not
你了。 我正在努力活下去，我不是
trying to be Ken but I just you know
想成为肯，但我只是你知道，我
think he's a good symbol of masculinity
认为他是男子气概的象征，
you know he doesn't swear he doesn't
你知道，他不发誓，他不
drink he's very nice to Barbie he's very
喝酒，他对芭比娃娃很好，他非常
respectful he's handsome you know these
尊重他，他很英俊，你知道 这些
are good qualities are you worried that
都是很好的品质，你是否担心
you might still be playing a role and
你可能仍然在扮演一个角色，而
not not just being Ole London um I'm
不仅仅是成为奥莱伦敦嗯，我
just trying to be me but an improved
只是想成为我自己，而是一个改进
version of me are you not just going to
版的我，你是否会再次
change again no because again I've been
改变，不，因为我又来了。
searching for myself for well over a
十多年来我一直在寻找自己，
decade and you know I haven't been able
你知道我一直没能
to find me
找到我，
that person was trapped that person was
那个人被困住了，那个人
basically dead which is sad and you're
基本上已经死了，这很悲伤，你
not going to change now you're kind of
现在不会改变，你有点
like look I might do a few injections
像看 我可能会
here and there I might bulk up you know
在这里或那里做一些注射，我可能会增加体重，你知道这可能会
might change my fashion sense but in
改变我的时尚感，但就
terms of uh me as a person that that's
呃我作为一个人来说，它
here to stay
now yeah it's interesting that your
现在就留在这里是的，很有趣，你的
life's so crazy it's crazy I have three
生活如此疯狂，太疯狂了，我接受了三场
us interviews tonight but my tweets are
美国采访 今晚但我的推文真的
really big I get 750 million views a
很大 我每个月有 7.5 亿次浏览
month you me as a man of of extremes you
你我作为一个极端的人 你
know I go from one extreme to the other
知道我从一个极端走向另一个极端
but I think now is about sure I want to
但我想现在已经确定了 我想要
I want to be masculine now it's about
我想要变得有男子气概 现在是这样
you know giving back but you having
你知道回馈，但你拥有
sixpack ABS isn't about giving back is
六块腹肌并不是为了回馈，这
it that's just about you wanting to look
只是你想要看起来
good to fulfill this really specific no
很好，以实现这个非常具体的目标，不，
if I had a sixpack I'd feel better about
如果我有六块腹肌，我会对自己感觉更好，
myself so i' probably be more confident
所以我可能会更自信
today I could be doing 10 times more
今天我可以做10倍更多的
activism 100 times more tweets is the
激进主义 100倍更多的推文是
next stage you're now deeply Christian
下一个阶段 你现在已经深深地成为基督徒
is that uh yes would you say you're born
了 是的，你会说你
again uh Born Again Christians do you
重生了 重生了 基督徒，你
you think your does that affect your
认为你的行为会影响你的
sexuality at all as a gay man I'm not
性取向吗 作为一个男同性恋，我不会
going to be x gay but I'm actually
成为同性恋，但我实际上是
bisexual so I actually would like to
双性恋，所以我实际上想和
date a woman and just tried and stuff
一个女人约会，只是尝试过，
that so that is the next iteration that
所以这就是下一个迭代，这
is the next iteration it's not like
是下一个迭代，不是
that's what I mean the I have dated
那样的 我的意思是我以前约会过之类的东西，
before and stuff and um I'm just all
嗯，我只是
about you know exploring myself do you
关于你知道探索自己，你
want to marry a woman um I will marry
想娶一个女人吗，嗯，我会嫁给我
whoever I fall in love with how do I
爱上的任何人，我怎么
know in a year you're not going to be
知道一年后你不会
like something completely different for
the first time in my life I'm actually
我一生中第一次会变得完全不同，我实际上就是
me
我，
all right so I've just finished filming
所以我刚刚完成
with Ollie um and that was just a
与奥利的拍摄，嗯，这只是
glimpse into his world and seeing what
一瞥他的世界，看看
he does to kind of be the person that he
他做了什么来成为 他
wants to be now um and I'm not really
现在想成为的人，嗯，我并不是真的
here to judge you know or judge people's
来评判你知道的或评判人们的
identities but given that he spends so
身份，但考虑到他
much of his life arguing against
一生中大部分时间都在反对
transitioning these kind of big radical
转变这些重大的激进
Transformations he's still going through
转变，他仍在经历的
can feel a bit hypocritical because if
可能会有点感觉 虚伪，因为如果
he's allowed to do it why has he got
允许他这样做，为什么他
such an issue with everyone else doing
对其他人这样做有这样的问题
it